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Blythe Doll Swap Scam [Jun. 22nd, 2010|11:01 am]
Bad Dolly Deals...
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I am writing to warn others of dealings with member Loes on PP.  I had a post up to do a swap with one of my dolls and she contacted me over the weekend and said she had the one I was looking for.  I had already posted  pics of my doll and requested some of hers. She said she did not have any nude but sent the ones she had, which looked authentic to me.  I asked for a reference because she was such a new member andshe had "toby" from Canada, send me a pleasant referral about a doll swap they had done with her.

I checked her ebay feedback which was all good.  I even apologized to her for having to request referrals and do checking because
there have been problems on the forums with scammers and dishonest members! Ugh.  Anyway, we both agreed to send out the dolls
yesterday and I notified her that I had mailed it yesterday morning.  She replied that she had done the same. 
First thing this morning I got an email from her that she never sent the doll, never had the doll and was terribly sorry and felt awful.
She promised to send her back as soon as she got her.  I am not the only one she has done this to.  Thankfully a warning has been posted
on PP about her.  I've always felt a little guilty asking for references, pics and feedback and being suspicious of new members.  I want to
give people the benefit of the doubt and have a little faith in humanity.  What I've come to learn is that protocol to protect yourself has
nothing to do with lack of faith in humanity, merely a formality that isn't personal, just part of doing business.

♥sugarbite
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-22 04:17 pm (UTC)
Please let us know if/when she returns your doll.
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From: betsyblythe
2010-06-22 04:26 pm (UTC)
Thanks!
I will certainly keep you all informed of any updates and developments.
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[User Picture]From: saasafrass
2010-06-22 04:41 pm (UTC)
Thank you for posting this here. I do hope the others that have had problems with this person also post and that all of you get your goods back.

It is so sad to me that even with asking references we are still at risk for these things.
I'm so sorry you had to go through this <3
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From: sylviecola
2010-06-22 04:58 pm (UTC)
She tried to trade with me but was caught in time. I'm so sorry this has happened to you and I hope you get your dolls back.
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[User Picture]From: usagi_no_hotaru
2010-06-22 05:13 pm (UTC)
If you know that you're not the first person she's done this to, do you know if the others who have fallen victim to the same lie have gotten their dolls back?

I really do hope she returns it to you, though. I'm paranoid by nature, and I ask a lot of questions too when it comes to trading dolls.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-22 05:24 pm (UTC)
I don't think the other people have had their dolls returned yet. (I think it is a time issue - dolls were sent recently).
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From: irulethegalaxy
2010-06-22 06:25 pm (UTC)
I am going to say that this is a situation where you'd probably be best off if you err on the side of paranoia. Take this persons' info down to your local post office and report them for postal fraud. This person can say "I'm sorry, and I'll send her right back" as much as she wants, but the truth is a crime has been committed. Postal fraud is a very serious matter, and if I am reading this correctly, you're not the only person she's done this to?

Sad to say it, but you have to protect yourself and your interests above being nice sometimes.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-22 06:33 pm (UTC)
She can also be reported here:
https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/
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From: a_diskette
2010-06-22 06:57 pm (UTC)

Loes scam

hello,

i'm diskette on PP.
Firs of all i'm sorry but i don't speak (write ?^^) english very well !

I had EXACTLY the same experience with Loes.
In addition to all that, she convinced me to send the doll without tracking number nor insurance.
When she admitted to me the truth this morning, she promised me to send back me the doll.

She was very sorry and guilty.
I do not know too much what to make, I shall not want to antagonize her ... then I thanked her for having said the truth and said to her that one fault confessed is half redressed.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-22 07:00 pm (UTC)

Re: Loes scam

Thanks for posting here, I hope everyone gets their property returned.
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From: birdielady
2010-06-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
i just realized that she contacted me for a trade too! i'm not interested in trades for the dolls i'm selling, but what shocked me is that she must have messaged a lot of people probably just randomly to see how many dolls she could get.
i really hope you get your dolls back and apart from being banned this person should be tracked and reported to the police...
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From: tallulahlala
2010-06-22 08:10 pm (UTC)
This is so horrible..loes PMed me too on PP asking for a trade on some Blythes I have for sale and thank goodness I said no thank you..I wonder how many of us she has PMed though ~ good luck,I hope everybody that she scammed gets their dolls back..
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From: betsyblythe
2010-06-22 08:21 pm (UTC)
I'm beginning to think she just went down the
castaways list one by one......
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From: corde84
2010-06-24 12:29 pm (UTC)
I can't believe!! She said me that her friends Toby makes a trade with her:
A BaBr for her NP!!! hahahaha

But she said to me too that she buy for a girl two bassack... if she have a Goldie... why she buy a lot of copies of blythe? ummm so strange!!!
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From: mamalisadesigns
2010-06-23 12:25 am (UTC)

Loes tried to scam me, too.

I felt wierd about the fact that she had so few posts and actually asked her to provide proof of actual sales. She does have 6 positive feedbacks on e-bay, so I told her I'd do a trade with her of Darling Dolly clothes for a WONDER FROG. Well... I ended up in the hospital on Friday and never did post the package to her...and I AM SOOOOO GLAD I DIDN'T!!!!
I sent her an e-mail on PP and told her the I was aware of her fraud and scams and she would NOT be receiveing ANYTHING from me.
THANK YOU FOR THIS WEB SITE where we can check on people. I will always us this before making any "deals" with someone I don't know for sure.

Sugerbite... I sooo understand about giving newbies the benefit of hte doublt, but we MUST protect ourself. and it IS just doing business.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-23 04:05 am (UTC)

Re: Loes tried to scam me, too.

Qdpatooties should be thanked as well. She's been AWESOME through this whole thing!! :)
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[User Picture]From: nicichan
2010-06-23 07:51 am (UTC)
Wow, I can't believe how many people are affected by this! It's really odd that she would do the same thing to so many people and then send messages to everyone saying how sorry she is.. it's not like she scammed all those people by accident. I hope it will be sorted out for everyone!
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From: piglet78
2010-06-23 02:57 pm (UTC)

OMG

I got a pm from her too, because I had posted a WTB post. But when I told her I didn't have anything to trade and would be willing to pay for the coat as well, she told me she had already given the coat to a friend who had been looking for it. I thought it was a bit strange, but didn't think much more of it. I even stayed in touch with her for a while because we're from the same country :o
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From: corde84
2010-06-24 12:25 pm (UTC)

ohh my god!!! Loes... ufff

Hi! First of all sorry for my bad English!!

I just right now comes to write about this person!!! She tries to make me the same with other doll!!!!!

Last weekend she contacted with me to make a trade... a well I asked her a lot of things about her feedback (she gives me her ebay feedback that only has 5 stars), pics and other persons....

Well I want to trade my blythe Paris NRFB for a Goldie... She never said something about make a partial trade (is a Goldie!!!)+ money, at first she said to me if it really necessary to send me a pic because if she said that is a stock girl Will I need more information to fall in love with her? (and all time she said that she believes what I had to say and don't need more pics of my doll so I was feeling very embarrased for being so demanding...)
After that, she said that only could send photos of the doll after some days (but for me wasn't bad, I can wait... for a Goldie... I don't have any problem!) and well I asked for some other reference (because her feedback is so short and she said to me that she had made some international trades) and write me her friend "Toby" and said to me that she is very honest and meet her by a chat (never she a pic of the doll that she will trade and she send it, she said to me)... Well, was very rare
And she gives me other pics (in the same day! It wasn't necessary to wait) that are from other person that is very known in forums and their photos has the watermark!! The pics are from a New Orleans girl and she (Loes) lives in Netherlands!
This is not ending here... I asked her if she meet the other girl (the onwer pic's) and if she could gives me her account of flickr... (she never aswer these two things)
I contacted with the other girl (she was very nice all time and her doll was with her and she doesn't want to sell her)

But she continues to write to me...

It was so weird, strange and I feel very unsure with the trade
She said that she was confunsed with the photos of the girl because she has in her mobile and she likes very much them I only choose two... well, no comment...

I asked her if really is interested she will send the girl before than me (yes is something very extremely but she makes me a lot of doubts!! I'm from Spain but luckyly there are some important blythe's customizers and people that are "famous" in the international forums and flickr and the could respond by me if I asked them...
She said no.. okey, I understad so I asked her if she could make a photo with the girl and our names... or we can speak by skype and we could show our girls... she said that her webcam was broken... and if she do a "special photo" she will need the help of his father to scan... (Why? is only a photo with your doll and our nicknames in a paper...) and well, I finally think that she will stop but not: she makes this pic:

[img]http://i49.tinypic.com/207wdmp.jpg[/img]
http://es.tinypic.com/r/207wdmp/6

:(

I don't have words for Loes! I was think that I will be the only that do this... but she had done at the same time to some people!!! I hope I had written before so maybe you could read this (but if you send the doll yesterday and I was sure of this yesterday too)

The truth is that I don't feel very well when I asked a lot of things to another person like this time (I feel so embarrased because she said to me that she believes me and not need more information...) but now I think that was the best thing that I have do
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[User Picture]From: brieana
2010-06-24 04:26 pm (UTC)

Re: ohh my god!!! Loes... ufff

Wow. It's a good thing you asked for specific pictures, even if you felt embarrassed! I can't believe she thought she could convince you with that photo.
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From: a_diskette
2010-06-26 06:56 am (UTC)

Loes mail

Hello !

I received a mail this morning from Loes :
"hi,

your girl is on her way back home, please let me know when she arrives.
so sorry again.

Loes"

Hope it's the truth, and what about the other girls ?? have you receive the same mail ??
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From: betsyblythe
2010-06-26 01:15 pm (UTC)

Re: Loes mail

Yes, I also received the same an email also, saying the same
thing. We shall see. I will update if I get her.
I wish us all some good dolly kharma :)
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From: ivy_vivi
2010-06-26 04:02 pm (UTC)

Me too

The EXACT same thing happened to me on Mon 6/21. I was also notified to contact "Toby" as a reference, and got a PM from this "Toby" saying all good things about "Loes". I checked "Toby"'s profile and he/she had only been an active member for 1 day (and Loes did warn me of this).
Anyway, Loes sent me stock pics & pics of other flickr members' dolls (admittedly) because her camera was broken. HOWEVER, she was able to send me a photo of a handwritten note that she had just written to prove that she had the doll that I wanted (????).
Needless to say, I had my doubts. I then told her I knew someone in the Netherlands and that they could just ship the doll to me. She said no. So I said I'd ship my doll to her after I receiver her doll. She said no. Then I said, can you give me the barcode to the box of the NRFB doll, and that's when she dropped convo.
We were even IM-ing one another!
I hope everyone gets their dollies back in the condition they left their original homes with. Fingers & toes crossed guys. xoxo
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From: corde84
2010-06-29 08:52 am (UTC)

Re: Me too

It's really interesting know about exit the barcode! I never think in this :)
umm thanks you very much for the idea!! :)
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From: piglet78
2010-06-27 05:57 pm (UTC)
I hope this won't be necessary, because I hope Loes is telling the truth now and has send dolls back to their rightful owners.
But if anyone needs help getting in touch with the dutch police (which I think is the best option if the dolls don't turn up), just let me know. I'd be happy to help out, as I'm in the Netherlands myself.

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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-29 01:30 am (UTC)
I have been informed that Loes was just banned from a Dutch Blythe forum for running the same scam.

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From: corde84
2010-06-29 08:50 am (UTC)
ohhh my god!!! she do the same thing in a dutch forum? incredible!!
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[User Picture]From: _saybia_
2010-06-29 11:08 am (UTC)
SHe has been banned from 2 Dutch forums I am also a member of and is trying to get back in under other nicknames and new emails adresses so people who have a forum be very carefull and check the IP adress she uses a cellphone and a normal computer to make the accounts, so be on the look out !
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[User Picture]From: _saybia_
2010-06-29 11:10 am (UTC)
She has also been contacting people on flickr for trades! So she not only going through the forums but is also using Flickr please everyone be carefull because it seems she's still lying her way into people's friendslists and forums the last time she tried was only yesterday evening!
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-29 03:45 pm (UTC)
Do you have her Flickr ID?
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From: irulethegalaxy
2010-06-29 09:28 pm (UTC)
WOW. Just wow.

Seriously folks, if you sent this person a doll, the time to contact the authorities is NOW. Even if she said "Sorry, and I sent the doll back.", clearly that is not the case since she's still pulling the same crap.

It would be useful if someone involved in it was compiling a list of everyone who did in fact send her a doll and the overall monetary value of the items that are currently missing to hand to the proper authorities. This could easily go into THOUSANDS if she's doing it on multiple forums.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-29 09:42 pm (UTC)
I'm happy to help:
Lizzie_s_roberts@yahoo.com

Piglet78 has offered to help out locally (in the Netherlands). Maybe if we can get a list of addresses, and what was sent we can ask Piglet78 to go to the local police?
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-29 11:43 pm (UTC)
Has anyone mailed her any of these dolls?
http://vampirefreaks.com/journal/iloveme_
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-30 02:33 am (UTC)
One of the known missing three dolls has been retrieved. He states that the post office was able to return his doll without it being sent to the Netherlands. The box Loes sent to him in trade did not contain the promised doll - it had an empty wooden cd box.
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From: a_diskette
2010-06-30 06:49 am (UTC)
OMG.I don't really know what to do, i understand english just a little and i send a doll to Loes without tracking number nor insurance ... so i think It is difficult to defend myself.
What can I do ? If I could teleport I believe that Loes would have my visit !
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From: mishigoss
2010-07-04 06:05 am (UTC)
Even though you didn't send with any tracking or insurance, if at all possible get copies of all PMs or emails between you and the thief. If her posts are no longer on Plastic Paradise, the mods might be able to retrieve them (I don't know if they keep the old information or not, but they might). It might not be enough, but it could at least be proof that you had negotiations with her.

Good luck to all of you who are living this nightmare. It's hard to even comprehend.

Deb / Mishigoss
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From: piglet78
2010-06-30 10:17 am (UTC)
This is starting to sound more and more serious. I thinkt it's especially worrying that she has even gone as far as sending an empty wooden cd box to someone as her part of the trade. Wow, that's just sick if you ask me.

Please don't hesitate to contact me if you need help with contacting the dutch authorities! A combined list of all the items send to her and what value they stand for would be helpful in that case.
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-06-30 03:53 pm (UTC)
Can you email me at lizzie_s_roberts@yahoo.com. It looks like a couple people might be ready for you to contact her local police. In light of the new info regarding Toby receiving an empty wooden box instead of a doll, I think it's safe to assume she is not going to honor her obligations.
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From: catille
2010-07-03 02:32 am (UTC)

I got scammed by loes also

I agreed to a trade with her on tib, I sent her my things that we agreed on and when I received her part of the trade, she pulled a bait and switch on me, it was not the same thing as in the picture, completely different and worthless for that matter. I pmd her several times to give her the benefit of the doubt, been a week now and still haven't heard back, obviuosly not a mistake but a scam on her part, DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH HER!
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[User Picture]From: pipercat99
2010-07-03 03:07 am (UTC)

Re: I got scammed by loes also

Can you please email me the details lizzie_s_roberts@yahoo.com.

We have a member in the Netherlands who is talking with the local police about the missing dolls.
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